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Date: Wed,  8 Jun 94 22:00:22 PDT
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Info-Hams Digest            Wed,  8 Jun 94       Volume 94 : Issue  643

Today's Topics:
                                "73's"
                   ** QUESTION TO HTX-202 OWNERS **
                         10 Meter FM activity
                 2 meter Mag mount antenna, Only $20
                   Anything Interesting in Atlanta
       Daily Summary of Solar Geophysical Activity for 07 June
                 easy/simple tracking program wanted
                         Got card from HH2PK!
                              paKet 5.1
                     Singapore HAM Laws? (2 msgs)

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Date: 8 Jun 1994 06:21:36 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.kei.com!ssd.intel.com!chnews![e-mail]
Subject: "73's"
To: [e-mail]

Kok Chen ([e-mail]) wrote:

: You would have to excuse me, since, as a furriner, I have only
: been using English for a scant 40 years.  My Oxford American
: (oxymoron, eh?) Dictionary, however, says:

:     "a.pos.tro.phe  n. the sign ' used to show that letters
:     or numbers have been omitted (as in can't = cannot;
:     '05 = 1905), or showing the possessive case (the boy's
:     book, the boys' books), or the plurals of letters (there
:     are two l's in bell)."         ^^^^^^^
: Kok Chen, AA6TY [e-mail] Apple Computer, Inc.

Good lawdy Miss Clawdy... Mr Chen, ya'll're goin' ta ruen tha reputashun
uf us "hams on Internet"... thar or too of we that got ah dichunary and
can spell gud 'nuf to luk up ah wurd.

73's's (three dimensional Best Regards), KG7BK, [e-mail]

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Date: 8 Jun 94 19:42:03 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu![e-mail]
Subject: ** QUESTION TO HTX-202 OWNERS **
To: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Patrick Tatro) writes:
>In article <2t4im9$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Merle Rutschke) writes:
>>From: [e-mail] (Merle Rutschke)
>>Subject: ** QUESTION TO HTX-202 OWNERS **
>>Date: 8 Jun 1994 13:56:25 GMT
>
>
>>To HTX-202 owners (and others),
>
>>  I have a 202 to which I occasionally hook up a power supply
>>(as described in the owner's manual).  I even have the Micronta
>>12-volt regulated power supply that is recommended in the owner's
>>manual.
>
>> On high power the 202 warms up as I transmit (as expected).  My
>>question is:  Is the 202 supposed to warm up on low power also?
>>My reason for asking is because I have a friend who's HT (not
>>Radio Shack) warms up on high power but NOT on low power.
>
>>Is it normal for the HTX-202 to warm up on low power as well as
>>high power?
>
> Be sure you have your belt clip installed - Its part of your heat sink
>

My IC-24AT becomes too hot to touch after extended transmission at
high power.  It seems that PA modules used in HF have dismal
efficiency.  At 13.8 V, the HT draws 1.5 A. The input is 13.8 V * 1.5A
= 20W, at output 5W, for 25% efficiency.  The remaining 75% heat the
HT.

I am wondering if there exist RF modules that have higher efficiency.
Perhaps average transistor power amplifiers at RF have lower
efficiencies than those using tubes.  For example, HF rigs have 100W
out at 200W in, for a 50% aggregate efficiency.  I think that RF
tube amplifiers can easily reach 60% when operated in class AB (for
SSB linearity), and can reach 80% in class C (which is good for FM).
Just to present a contrary argument, transistor PA at about
100 KHz (called switched power supplies) have efficiency in excess of
90%.  I think they operate in class D.


Perhaps this is too lengthy topic to discuss here.  To be fair one
should include power to stages before PA, and cathode heating in tube
PAs.


Ignacy Misztal              Ham radio: NO9E, SP8FWB
E-mail: [e-mail]
University Of Illinois      1207 W. Gregory Dr., Urbana, IL 61801, USA
tel. [phone]         Fax: [phone]

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Date: Wed, 08 Jun 1994 03:06:11 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!kira.cc.uakron.edu!malgudi.oar.net!witch!doghouse![e-mail]
Subject: 10 Meter FM activity
To: [e-mail]


In article <[e-mail]>, Jeff Durr ([e-mail]) writes:
>Is there much action on 10 meter FM? I know AM is used for contests and
>long haul contacts, but is FM mode used much?
>

Mostly for repeaters.  Actually, the 10m repeaters are a great way to
monitor for 10m openings; just program the 4 different repeater
outputs into your rigs memory (and input splits if it supports that),
and set it on the scan mode if it has one.  If the band opens, you'll
start hearing repeaters from other parts of the country.  I do this a
lot when I'm working in my office, and have worked folks on SC and FL
10m repeaters from Northern Virgina while the SSB portion of 10m was
"dead."

73...joe





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Joe Salemi, KR4CZ               Internet: [e-mail]
Compuserve: 72631,23   FidoNet: 1:109/136   MCI Mail: 433-3961

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Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 16:21:20 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!wetware!spunky.RedBrick.COM!psinntp!merlin.hgc.edu![e-mail]
Subject: 2 meter Mag mount antenna, Only $20
To: [e-mail]

I have a Radio Shack 2 meter 5/8 wave mag mount antenna for sale
for $20 including shipping.

Reply to [e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 08 Jun 1994 02:57:48 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!kira.cc.uakron.edu!malgudi.oar.net!witch!doghouse![e-mail]
Subject: Anything Interesting in Atlanta
To: [e-mail]


In article <2svja9$[e-mail]>, Bill Turini ([e-mail]) writes:
>I'm going to be in Atlanta, GA for a few days at the end of the month.
>Any interesting surplus shops/radio stores, etc. there?
>

There's one of the big ham radio chain stores just outside of town; Ham
Radio Outlet, I believe.

73...joe



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Joe Salemi, KR4CZ               Internet: [e-mail]
Compuserve: 72631,23   FidoNet: 1:109/136   MCI Mail: 433-3961

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Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 23:04:27 MDT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!cyber2.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!alberta!ve6mgs![e-mail]
Subject: Daily Summary of Solar Geophysical Activity for 07 June
To: [e-mail]

                /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

                 DAILY SUMMARY OF SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY

                                  07 JUNE, 1994

                /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

                  (Based In-Part On SESC Observational Data)


SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL ACTIVITY INDICES FOR 07 JUNE, 1994
--------------------------------------------------------

NOTE: Electron fluence values at greater than 2 MeV were at high levels.

!!BEGIN!! (1.0) S.T.D. Solar Geophysical Data Broadcast for DAY 158, 06/07/94
10.7 FLUX=077.1  90-AVG=081        SSN=039      BKI=3433 3222  BAI=013
BGND-XRAY=A6.6     FLU1=7.6E+06  FLU10=1.3E+05  PKI=4343 3323  PAI=017
  BOU-DEV=024,044,037,027,025,018,14353,019   DEV-AVG=1818 NT     SWF=00:000
 XRAY-MAX= B2.8   @ 0644UT    XRAY-MIN= A5.4   @ 0541UT   XRAY-AVG= A8.5
NEUTN-MAX= +002%  @ 0405UT   NEUTN-MIN= -002%  @ 0510UT  NEUTN-AVG= +0.2%
  PCA-MAX= +0.1DB @ 1950UT     PCA-MIN= -0.2DB @ 1720UT    PCA-AVG= -0.0DB
BOUTF-MAX=55332NT @ 0045UT   BOUTF-MIN=55288NT @ 1722UT  BOUTF-AVG=55311NT
GOES7-MAX=P:+000NT@ 0000UT   GOES7-MIN=N:+000NT@ 0000UT  G7-AVG=+071,+000,+000
GOES6-MAX=P:+129NT@ 1833UT   GOES6-MIN=N:-075NT@ 0814UT  G6-AVG=+099,+033,-031
 FLUXFCST=STD:080,080,080;SESC:080,080,080 BAI/PAI-FCST=010,010,025/012,010,025
    KFCST=2343 3332 2233 3222  27DAY-AP=024,010   27DAY-KP=4544 3334 3332 1223
 WARNINGS=
   ALERTS=
!!END-DATA!!

NOTE: The Effective Sunspot Number for 06 JUN 94 was  12.9.
      The Full Kp Indices for 06 JUN 94 are not available.
      The 3-Hr Ap Indices for 06 JUN 94 are not available.
      Greater than 2 MeV Electron Fluence for 07 JUN is: 6.2E+08


SYNOPSIS OF ACTIVITY
--------------------

             Solar activity was very low. Two new regions were
       numbered today as Region 7730 (S10E75) and Region 7731
       (N08E83). Region 7729 (S16W69) has produced only B-class flares
       during the period.

            Solar activity forecast:  solar activity is expected to be
       very low to low through the period. The three numbered regions
       on the disk have potential for producing an isolated C-class
       flare.

            The geomagnetic field has been at unsettled to active
       levels for the past 24 hours. Some high latitudes experienced
       minor to major storm levels during nighttime sectors. Energetic
       electron flux levels (GT 2 MeV) were at high levels throughout
       the period.

            Geophysical activity forecast:  the geomagnetic field is
       expected to be unsettled for day one and two of the period and
       active on the third day. The active conditions are forecast
       due to recurrence of a coronal hole.

            Event probabilities 08 jun-10 jun

                             Class M    01/01/01
                             Class X    01/01/01
                             Proton     01/01/01
                             PCAF       Green

            Geomagnetic activity probabilities 08 jun-10 jun

                        A.  Middle Latitudes
                        Active                20/20/25
                        Minor Storm           10/10/15
                        Major-Severe Storm    05/05/05

                        B.  High Latitudes
                        Active                30/30/35
                        Minor Storm           10/10/15
                        Major-Severe Storm    05/05/05

            HF propagation conditions were normal over all regions.
       Near-normal conditions will persist until about 10 June when
       another coronal-hole related disturbance is expected to begin
       degrading high and polar latitude signal paths.


COPIES OF JOINT USAF/NOAA SESC SOLAR GEOPHYSICAL REPORTS
========================================================

REGIONS WITH SUNSPOTS. LOCATIONS VALID AT 07/2400Z JUNE
-------------------------------------------------------
NMBR LOCATION  LO  AREA  Z   LL   NN MAG TYPE
7729  S16W69  271  0100 DAO  07  006 BETA
7730  S06E77  125  0120 HSX  03  002 ALPHA
7731  N04E80  122  0070 HSX  02  001 ALPHA
REGIONS DUE TO RETURN 08 JUNE TO 10 JUNE
NMBR LAT    LO
NONE


LISTING OF SOLAR ENERGETIC EVENTS FOR 07 JUNE, 1994
---------------------------------------------------
BEGIN  MAX  END  RGN   LOC   XRAY  OP 245MHZ 10CM   SWEEP
 0631 0643 0645 7729  S13W64 B2.8  SF    490
 1856 1857 1904                          210


POSSIBLE CORONAL MASS EJECTION EVENTS FOR 07 JUNE, 1994
-------------------------------------------------------
 BEGIN        MAX      END     LOCATION   TYPE   SIZE  DUR  II IV
07/B0142             B0335       S16W58   DSF
07/A0852             B0943       S14W60   DSF


INFERRED CORONAL HOLES. LOCATIONS VALID AT 07/2400Z
---------------------------------------------------
               ISOLATED HOLES AND POLAR EXTENSIONS
      EAST   SOUTH  WEST   NORTH  CAR  TYPE  POL  AREA   OBSN
83   S60W05 S69W90 S69W90 S44W38  260  EXT   NEG   038 10830A
85   S19E39 S23E11 S06W11 N20E22  192  ISO   POS   021 10830A


SUMMARY OF FLARE EVENTS FOR THE PREVIOUS UTC DAY
------------------------------------------------

 Date   Begin  Max   End  Xray  Op Region  Locn    2695 MHz  8800 MHz  15.4 GHz
------  ----  ----  ----  ----  -- ------ ------  --------- --------- ---------
06 Jun: 1209  1210  1214        SF  7729  S15W50
        1223  1228  1231  B2.0
        1249  1253  1255  C2.3  SF  7729  S16W50
       B1256  1311  1330        SF  7729  S15W52
        1340  1350  1354  B2.5
        1630  1630  1635        SF  7729  S15W55
        2307  2315  2317  B1.6
        2331  2336  2340  B7.2


REGION FLARE STATISTICS FOR THE PREVIOUS UTC DAY
------------------------------------------------

                C   M   X     S   1   2   3   4   Total   (%)
               --  --  --    --  --  --  --  --    ---  ------
  Region 7729:  1   0   0     4   0   0   0   0    004  (50.0)
Uncorrellated: 0   0   0     0   0   0   0   0    004  (50.0)

 Total Events: 008 optical and x-ray.


EVENTS WITH SWEEPS AND/OR OPTICAL PHENOMENA FOR THE LAST UTC DAY
----------------------------------------------------------------

 Date   Begin  Max   End  Xray  Op Region  Locn    Sweeps/Optical Observations
------  ----  ----  ----  ----  -- ------ ------   ---------------------------
                            NO EVENTS OBSERVED.

NOTES:
     All times are in Universal Time (UT).  Characters preceding begin, max,
     and end times are defined as:  B = Before,  U = Uncertain,  A = After.
     All times associated with x-ray flares (ex. flares which produce
     associated x-ray bursts) refer to the begin, max, and end times of the
     x-rays.  Flares which are not associated with x-ray signatures use the
     optical observations to determine the begin, max, and end times.

     Acronyms used to identify sweeps and optical phenomena include:

          II        = Type II Sweep Frequency Event
          III       = Type III Sweep
          IV        = Type IV Sweep
          V         = Type V Sweep
          Continuum = Continuum Radio Event
          Loop      = Loop Prominence System,
          Spray     = Limb Spray,
          Surge     = Bright Limb Surge,
          EPL       = Eruptive Prominence on the Limb.


**  End of Daily Report  **

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Date: 7 Jun 1994 22:37:03 -0400
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!gatech!mailer.acns.fsu.edu!freenet3.scri.fsu.edu!freenet3.scri.fsu.edu![e-mail]
Subject: easy/simple tracking program wanted
To: [e-mail]

: Need to show more than 5 satellites
: easy to load Kelps
: ibm program
: thanks
--
Tim Wright KD4OVM  | [e-mail] | Morehead State University
                   |  [e-mail] | Tallahassie Freenet Service
                   |     [e-mail] | Youngstown Ohio Freenet Service
                   |   [e-mail] | Try one, I'll get it.

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Date: 8 Jun 94 23:45:00 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!news.mic.ucla.edu!MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU![e-mail]
Subject: Got card from HH2PK!
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) writes:

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>In article <2sg43a$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Scott Richard
>>Rosenfeld) writes:
>>>
>>> The corners were cut off the return envelope (shredded in machine, or
>>> maybe the US gov't looking for contraband coming OUT of Haiti?), but the

>More than likely it was the Haitian military/government who cut off the corners.

For some reason the logic of which has always escaped me, a number of
countries charge a higher postal rate for sealed than for non-sealed
letters that are otherwise identical.  This is why one sometimes gets
cards back with the envelope flap tucked in rather than sealed (and
sometime the card is stapled to the flap so it doesn't fall out).
The cut corners may qualify as a unsealed letter.

In other cases, the corner cuts are a simple message to would-be
postal thiefs -- there's nothing of value in here - you can look -
so don't steal me.  (Once a thief opens a letter, he's much more
likely to discard it than to go to the trouble of resealing it and
risking his tampering being discovered.)

  -- 73 de Chris Thomas, AA6SQ (ex-WA6HTJ) ([e-mail])

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Date: Wed, 08 Jun 1994 02:56:26 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!kira.cc.uakron.edu!malgudi.oar.net!witch!doghouse![e-mail]
Subject: paKet 5.1
To: [e-mail]


In article <[e-mail]>, Mario Campos ([e-mail]) writes:
>
>Currently looking at the "paket 5.1" program from Australia. Is this the
>latest version of the program or is there an update available! If there is an
>update - where is it available for downloading? I do not have access to CIS!
>

5.1 is the latest version I've seen on CIS, so I guess it's the latest
version available.

73...joe



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Joe Salemi, KR4CZ               Internet: [e-mail]
Compuserve: 72631,23   FidoNet: 1:109/136   MCI Mail: 433-3961

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Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 03:33:35 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com![e-mail]
Subject: Singapore HAM Laws?
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Nick Stefanisko) writes:
>Newbee alert!! This is my first time posting here.
   Check over at the YWCA on the forth Wednesday of the month. This is
when the HAMS have their meeting. Just to make sure that the HAMS still
meet there. GIve the YWCA a call and ask if the hams meet in the basement.

 When I was living there I had attended the meetings and was very
much impressed.


>
>I'm in Singapore right now. And I was wondering, the next time I'm
>here, should I bring my radio? What are the laws regarding 2m and
>70cm transition here. I've talked to a bunch of people here in
>Singapore and they have no clue. I think there is a well established
>radio-phone network here, so I would not be surprised to find out that
>HAM is not allowed.
>
>I just want to find out before I have to find out the hard way.
>                         ___
>Integrated              /  /               Nick Stefanisko   [KD6PTD]
>Systems         HEWLETT/hp/PACKARD         [e-mail]
>Division              /__/                 Sunnyvale, California, USA
>
>Opinions expressed here are not those of my employer; only my fingers
>are to blame.


--
.----------------------------------------------+--------------------------.
| INTERNET: [e-mail]     (DC436)     | Daniel Curry  WB6STW     |
| AMPRNET : [e-mail]  [44.4.20.144] | E-:-) Ham Radio Operator |
| AX.25   : wb6stw@n0ary.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA      | Redwood City, CA USA     |
'----------------------------------------------+--------------------------'

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Date: Wed, 08 Jun 1994 03:11:27 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!kira.cc.uakron.edu!malgudi.oar.net!witch!doghouse![e-mail]
Subject: Singapore HAM Laws?
To: [e-mail]


In article <[e-mail]>, Nick Stefanisko ([e-mail]) writes:
>I'm in Singapore right now. And I was wondering, the next time I'm
>here, should I bring my radio? What are the laws regarding 2m and
>70cm transition here. I've talked to a bunch of people here in
>Singapore and they have no clue. I think there is a well established
>radio-phone network here, so I would not be surprised to find out that
>HAM is not allowed.
>

There's an article on operating in Singapore and other Far East
countries in the June 1994 WORLDRADIO magazine, if you can find or
borrow a copy.  It's apparently not easy.

Of course, the first thing you need is a reciprocol license, and the
ARRL's Reciprocol License Dept. is the best source for info.

73...joe



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Joe Salemi, KR4CZ               Internet: [e-mail]
Compuserve: 72631,23   FidoNet: 1:109/136   MCI Mail: 433-3961

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Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 17:49:50 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!news.eecs.nwu.edu!tellab5![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>5
Subject : Re: Radio Shack DSP

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Glenn Thomas) writes:
>I've done a bit of playing with my RS DSP box/TS-50. The CWfilters are a
>
>significant improvment over the Kenwood CW xtal filter. (The Kenwood has lousy
>skirts compared to the RS DSP or the Icom 720A though I'
>I've found that it's just dandy for HF digital).
>
>The noise rejection seems to workonly on noise that is VERY incoherent. Most
>HFnoise seems to be a mixture of harmonics of 60Hz from various sources. This
>60Hz "comb" is far from incoherent and at the same time has far too many cx's
>to be notched out. I've found (and my local RS store confirmed) that the noise
>reduction works fine on unsquelched FM-type noise. On 10 meters, in FM mode,
>with no signal other than receiver noise, the RS DSP box is almost like having
>an outboard squelch (though not quite that good).

You haven't heard the Hamblaster!  It actually squelches the noise
between voice peaks.  You don't hear a thing.  Even while copying
Side Band on H.F.


---
   Jack Albert  WA9FVP             Fellow Radio Hacker
   [phone]

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Date: 7 Jun 1994 20:33:43 -0700
From: pacbell.com!UB.com!kaiwan.com![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <2sid20$[e-mail]>, <2sn2im$[e-mail]>, <2t2sfa$[e-mail]>╢
Subject : Re: 440 in So. Cal.

Brian Kantor ([e-mail]) wrote:
> We're currently experimenting with spread-spectrum, digitized speech,
> high-speed data, and other such modes.  Are these to be prohibited
> because the pocket-rockets these appliance operators own can't do them?
> Or is it only the facilities they can use that they want to co-opt?

Brian,

Knowing what I know about you, none of this applies to you or your
operations.  No one in their right mind can say that what you do is not
effective use of our bandwidth, in furtherance of the state-of-the-art.

While most of us are the users, I think we'd be crazy not to understand
the need for the developers to have an undisturbed place of their own.

I'll restate my position.  There are too many closed repeaters.  The
existing bandwidth is not being used in any example of efficiency.  This
conversation has opened my eyes quite a bit.  While I still maintain that
a conversion is necessary, there is no way that conversion can be made
without careful study and cooperation.   I believe that everyone can be
considered, a few hundred Solomon-like decisions can be made, and the 440
MHz band considerably improved.

It's a huge job.  It's time we get started, one system at a time.

--
____[ Robb Topolski ]___[ San Clemente, CA ]___[ [e-mail] ]____


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Date: Tue, 07 Jun 1994 11:27:50 -0400
From: ncar!asuvax!pitstop.mcd.mot.com!mcdphx!schbbs!mothost!lmpsbbs!NewsWatcher![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <2snjlc$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
Subject : Re: 440 in So. Cal.

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Gary Coffman) wrote:

> In article <2snjlc$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jay Maynard) writes:
> >In article <[e-mail]>, Greg Bullough <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >>The 'closed' repeater has been the counter-example to the 'no-one owns
> >>a frequency' principle which has guided amateur radio for its entire
> >>existence. I see no reason to turn away from the older principle in order
> >>to keep the price of exclusivity low.
> >
> >I don't claim that a coordinated repeater - open or closed - or its users own
> >a frequency. I do claim, and the FCC and courts back me up, that the trustee
> >of any repeater can legitimately prevent anyone he desires from using HIS
> >STATION! IT'S THE STATION, STUPID!
>
> The FCC claims that a coordinated machine has priority on a channel pair,
> THAT'S SPECTRUM, STUPID!
>

TIME OUT for a correction! Gary, you don't usually misquote the rules, you
must need another cup of coffee this morning; a stronger cup at the very
least!

The FCC says (97.205c) that "Where the transmissions of a repeater cause
harmful interference to another repeater, the two station licensees are
equally and fully responsible for resolving the interference, UNLESS
(emphasis mine) the operation of one station is recommended by a frequency
coordinator and the other station is not. In that case, the licensee of the
non-coordinated repeater has primary responsibility to resolve the
interference."

The Commission most definitely does NOT say that there can be only repeater
on a channel. If your claim was actually the case, the FCC wouldn't have
needed to put 97.205c in the rules at all. Quite the contrary, 97.101b
specifically  disallows the assignment of any frequency for the exclusive
use of any licensee. Most coordinating groups seem to ignore that
provision, the result being this entire Mobius thread of discussion!

The "priority" is given only to interference BETWEEN REPEATERS, not other
stations accessing the subject repeaters. This is probably because some few
users of one or the other might be either antagonistic and pig-headed or
totally uneducated in the ways of tone coded access and channel sharing.
The first is deliberate, malicious interference (97.101d) and the second
comes generally under 97.101a. Either way it is the operator of the
accessing station, not the repeater trustee, who needs some adjusting.

>
> Gary
>
> --
> Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
> Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
> 534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
> Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |

Keep up the great work you are doing as "InterNet Elmer!"

--
Karl Beckman, P.E.              <  Genius may have its limitations, but  >
Motorola LMPS- Analog Data      <  stupidity is not thus handicapped.    >
                                <                      - Elbert Hubbard  >
The statements and opinions expressed here are not those of Motorola Inc.
Amateur radio WA8NVW @ K8MR.NEOH.USA.NA         NavyMARS VBH @ NOGBN.NOASI

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